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1. Van Halen with Sammy Hagar
2. INXS with JD Fortune
3. The Doors with Ian Astbury
4. Queen with Paul Rodgers
5. Journey with About Every Other Singer in the World
What are some other bands that have been wrecked by changing/losing lead singers?
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Styx with whoever the new guy is. Just like Steve Perry is Journey, Styx just isn't Styx without Dennis DeYoung.
Van Halen with Sammy Hagar was just as good as with David Lee Roth. They were almost like two different sounds but I like them both. Now when Gary Cherone tried to step in was when the band was ruined. Thankfully they wised up.
I'd add the version of The Power Station that toured back in 1985-86. Robert Palmer's solo career was about to kick into high gear so they toured with...Michael Des Barres. And it just didn't work. At all. You can hear the results in the one song they recorded with Des Barres over the end credits of Schwarzenegger's "Commando". Bad. Thankfully Palmer was there for the reforming and tour in 1997.
Edited to add: Oh, and Motley Crue when John Corabi replaced Vince Neil. I don't know how I forgot that one. The fun days were OVER right there.
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I'd take exception with #'s 2, 3 and 4 (only a mild exception to #2). When your lead singer dies, a new singer must be added. It's that or quit, and that's like just throwing out your career, something you love to do. What's the point in that? Fans understand that when a band member dies, if the band is going to continue then they have to have a replacement.
Granted, you have to go about it a lot better than INXS did...
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I'd take exception with #'s 2, 3 and 4 (only a mild exception to #2). When your lead singer dies, a new singer must be added. It's that or quit, and that's like just throwing out your career, something you love to do. What's the point in that? Fans understand that when a band member dies, if the band is going to continue then they have to have a replacement.
Granted, you have to go about it a lot better than INXS did...
I don't think the project should have been called INXS anymore. While I understand that everyone in the band had their role and importance, I don't think there's any real question that Michael Hutchence was INXS.
And I find your views towards band members as "replaceable pipes" interesting since your favourite band took five years to make an album because of the loyalty they showed their drummer after what should have been a career-ending accident. Sure, he wasn't dead but he may as well have been.
I'd add the version of The Power Station that toured back in 1985-86. Robert Palmer's solo career was about to kick into high gear so they toured with...Michael Des Barres. And it just didn't work. At all. You can hear the results in the one song they recorded with Des Barres over the end credits of Schwarzenegger's "Commando". Bad. Thankfully Palmer was there for the reforming and tour in 1997.
Edited to add: Oh, and Motley Crue when John Corabi replaced Vince Neil. I don't know how I forgot that one. The fun days were OVER right there.
I actually saw this version of the band on tour when I was in grade school. Fortunately I was young enough to not know the difference yet.
Edited by NewRomantic to add: She means The Power Station, not the Corabi Motley Crue. She wasn't in grade school by then.
Last edited by NewRomantic; 11-26-2008 at 09:01 PM..
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I don't think the project should have been called INXS anymore. While I understand that everyone in the band had their role and importance, I don't think there's any real question that Michael Hutchence was INXS.
And I find your views towards band members as "replaceable pipes" interesting since your favourite band took five years to make an album because of the loyalty they showed their drummer after what should have been a career-ending accident. Sure, he wasn't dead but he may as well have been.
True, but they knew they could continue on with him. He had a plan for returning that could work, and they felt it was worth waiting for. He wasn't GONE. But when Steve Clark died, I had no problems with him being replaced, as much as I loved his work and miss it. He'd never be back, there wasn't something like egos, or pride or something that could be surmounted standing in the way. He was gone forever.
An argument could be made that the front man in almost any band is the band. But those other guys contribute just as much with their talents, and I think, even in the case of INXS, they have earned the right through their years of work and effort to still be known by the same name. Unless, of course, that singer also did all the songwriting and composing, and the band members were practically along for the ride.
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True, but they knew they could continue on with him. He had a plan for returning that could work, and they felt it was worth waiting for. He wasn't GONE. But when Steve Clark died, I had no problems with him being replaced, as much as I loved his work and miss it. He'd never be back, there wasn't something like egos, or pride or something that could be surmounted standing in the way. He was gone forever.
An argument could be made that the front man in almost any band is the band. But those other guys contribute just as much with their talents, and I think, even in the case of INXS, they have earned the right through their years of work and effort to still be known by the same name. Unless, of course, that singer also did all the songwriting and composing, and the band members were practically along for the ride.
Hutchence had a certain hand in the songwriting and all but he wasn't the lone composer. Andrew Farris certainly had a large hand in that as well. But you could have easily chosen a new band name and just touted that the band was former members of INXS. When Ian Curtis of Joy Division died, the remaining members became New Order.
And if you're going to make any kind of argument that the front man is almost always the band, you have to acknowledge "Chinese Democracy" as a true Guns N' Roses album and not an over-glorified Axl Rose solo piece. Rose definitely had a huge hand in the writing process and was writing without his bandmates on several occasions.
The big one for me is UB40. After 30 years with the group, lead singer Ali Campbell announced he was quitting to focus on his solo career, so the group hired Maxi Priest as replacement vocalist.
I like Maxi Priest, but without Ali Campbell, UB40 are officially dead
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Styx with whoever the new guy is
Canadian born Lawrence Gowan, and I still don't know why Styx chose him. Before joining Styx, Gowan was a popular solo artists in Canada, notching up 21 hits between 1985-1997
And if you're going to make any kind of argument that the front man is almost always the band, you have to acknowledge "Chinese Democracy" as a true Guns N' Roses album and not an over-glorified Axl Rose solo piece. Rose definitely had a huge hand in the writing process and was writing without his bandmates on several occasions.
Ah, but I wasn't making that argument. I said one could be made about it, but I won't be the one making it. "Chinese Democracy" is a perfect case in point for me. As you know, I wouldn't consider this a G N' R album, and am rather disappointed that it's called so when the only G N' R member from the real G N' R days on it is Axl. That ain't G N' R, that's Axl Rose. At least do us the courtesy a la Mike Tramp and call it "Axl Rose's Guns N' Roses."
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Ah, but I wasn't making that argument. I said one could be made about it, but I won't be the one making it. "Chinese Democracy" is a perfect case in point for me. As you know, I wouldn't consider this a G N' R album, and am rather disappointed that it's called so when the only G N' R member from the real G N' R days on it is Axl. That ain't G N' R, that's Axl Rose. At least do us the courtesy a la Mike Tramp and call it "Axl Rose's Guns N' Roses."
Only took you 18 days for that one, huh?
I think an equal argument could be made by all the artists that have failed to find success as solo acts after leaving their respective bands. Sure, you might sell right out of the gate but interest tends to fade fast. Offhand I'd name David Lee Roth, the aforementioned Dennis DeYoung, Steve Perry, and Peter Cetera. None of them had more than three top 10 songs after leaving their bands (or even while just trying a solo career like Perry did before actually departing for some time). There's certainly something to be said about the rapport you develop with your band.
Now go on. Be the Devil's advocate again.
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I totally missed your reply, then saw it a couple days ago and knew I should have responded but then didn't, then had a couple minutes last night. Nyah!
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I think an equal argument could be made by all the artists that have failed to find success as solo acts after leaving their respective bands. Sure, you might sell right out of the gate but interest tends to fade fast. Offhand I'd name David Lee Roth, the aforementioned Dennis DeYoung, Steve Perry, and Peter Cetera. None of them had more than three top 10 songs after leaving their bands (or even while just trying a solo career like Perry did before actually departing for some time). There's certainly something to be said about the rapport you develop with your band.
Now go on. Be the Devil's advocate again.
An equal argument could be made about what, though? That they should be able to call themselves by the band name still? Like DLR should still have been allowed to go by Van Halen? I don't know if I followed this one. Or I'm simply being idiotic and missed it.
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I totally missed your reply, then saw it a couple days ago and knew I should have responded but then didn't, then had a couple minutes last night. Nyah!
An equal argument could be made about what, though? That they should be able to call themselves by the band name still? Like DLR should still have been allowed to go by Van Halen? I don't know if I followed this one. Or I'm simply being idiotic and missed it.
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